Friday: Here is tonight’s open thread. The Knicks and Nets are both playing, and that’s pretty much it tonight. No college hoops. Talk about those games, the trades the GMs regret, or anything else.
Earlier today the Yankees announced their list of non-roster Spring Training invitees for the 2016 season. A total of 25 non-roster players were invited, so add in the guys on the 40-man roster, and the Yankees will have a total of 65 players in Spring Training this year. Last season they had 68.
Here are the 25 non-roster players who will be in Tampa this spring. As always, everyone on the 40-man roster will be there as well.
Deibinson Romero (recently signed as a minor league free agent)
LHP Richard Bleier
RHP Tyler Cloyd (recently signed as a minor league free agent)
RHP Domingo German (rehabbing from Tommy John surgery)
RHP Chad Green
RHP James Kaprielian
RHP Brady Lail
RHP Diego Moreno
RHP Vinnie Pestano
RHP Anthony Swarzak
LHP Tyler Webb
Obviously some players have a much better chance of making the Yankees than others. Mateo, for example, has close to zero chance of making the Opening Day roster. He’ll be in camp so the big league coaching staff can get a firsthand look at arguably the top prospect in the organization. The same applies to Kaprielian, last summer’s first round pick, and Judge.
Right now the Yankees have five open big league roster spots: three in the bullpen, the backup catcher, and the final bench spot. Gary Sanchez and Austin Romine are the main candidates for the backup backstop job along with Corporan. It seems like the Yankees want Sanchez to be the guy, but there are service time reasons to send him to Triple-A for a few weeks (35 days in Triple-A equals an extra year of team control). All those extra catchers will be in camp to help catch bullpens and stuff.
Brian Cashman has confirmed the Yankees intendt the use their final bench spot as something of revolving door. They want to rotate players in and out based on their needs at the time, and that includes adding an eighth reliever on occasion. Remember, position battles do not end when Spring Training is over. Whoever gets those three bullpen spots and the two bench spots will have to produce during the regular season to keep the job.
Pitchers and catchers are due to report to Tampa on Thursday, February 18th. That’s two weeks from yesterday. Position players will report on Wednesday, February 24th, and the first full squad workout will follow on February 25th.
It’s easy to forget Doc Gooden was only 31 when he signed with the Yankees prior to the 1996 season. He broke in with the Mets at age 19 and was a sensation. George Steinbrenner wanted a 19-year-old stud of his own, which led to Jose Rijo being brought up in 1984, but that didn’t work out too well. Gooden was a star in the 1980s and the Mets were the toast of New York.
By 1990 things had turned south for the Mets and Gooden. He had drug problems and got hurt, and his performance suffered. Gooden was suspended 60 days after testing positive for cocaine in 1994, then, while serving the suspension, he tested positive again. MLB suspended him for the entire 1995 season. Gooden threw 41.1 total innings from 1994-95 — his age 29-30 seasons — due to the suspensions.
The Boss loved giving second chances and he loved needling the Mets. Gooden’s suspension ended on October 1st, 1995, and he threw for scouts shortly thereafter. The Yankees signed him almost immediately. Steinbrenner gave Gooden what amounted to a one-year contract with two option years. He would be paid $1M in 1996, then $2M in 1997 and $3M in 1998 should the team decide to keep him.
The contract was rather complicated because of Gooden’s history, and in fact it did not become official until February. Per the terms of the deal, Gooden had to be drug tested three times a week and stay in a 12-step program. Steinbrenner said he was “very impressed with the sincerity of Dwight’s commitment to restructuring his life” in a statement. “Being a Yankee is a dream come true for me. A year ago, I hit rock bottom. Now I’m a Yankee,” said Doc to Jack Curry.
Gooden joined David Cone, Jimmy Key, Andy Pettitte, and Kenny Rogers in the 1996 Opening Day rotation. Gooden started the fourth game of the season and it did not go well. He allowed five runs in five innings against the Rangers. Six days later he allowed six runs in 5.1 innings to that same Rangers team. Six days after that Gooden allowed six runs in three innings against the Twins. He allowed 17 runs and 33 base-runners in his first 13.1 innings of 1996.
The Yankees temporarily moved Gooden to the bullpen and gave Scott Kamieniecki a spot start. There was also talk of sending him to the minors for more work after he missed the entire 1995 season and barely pitched in 1994. That didn’t happen. Gooden never did pitch in relief but he did go a week between starts in late-April. On April 27th, in his fourth start of the year, he held the Twins to one run in six innings. He struck out seven.
With that start, Gooden had earned his way back into the rotation. Of course, David Cone came down with his aneurysm a few days later, so Gooden was likely headed back to the rotation no matter what. He threw six shutout innings against the White Sox on May 3rd, albeit with more walks (six) than strikeouts (four), then held the Tigers to two runs in eight innings on May 8th. That was three very good starts in a row after three ugly starts to open the season.
The Yankees were at home on May 14th, a Tuesday, and the Mariners were in town for a quick two-game series. New York had lost three of their last four games and needed Gooden to stop the bleeding. The Mariners had baseball’s best offense — they scored 993 runs in 1996, 32 more than any other team — led by Alex Rodriguez, Ken Griffey Jr., Edgar Martinez, and Jay Buhner. The lineup they sent out that night was nutso.
- Darren Bragg — 110 OPS+ in 1996
- A-Rod — 161 OPS+
- Griffey — 154 OPS+
- Martinez — 167 OPS+
- Buhner — 131 OPS+
- Paul Sorrento — 121 OPS+
- Dan Wilson — 95 OPS+
- Joey Cora — 91 OPS+
- Russ Davis — 74 OPS+
The bottom of the order wasn’t so bad, but spots one through six? Forget it. Murderer’s Row. Seattle had Hall of Fame caliber hitters batting second, third, and fourth. It’s no surprise the game started ominously for Gooden. He walked Bragg to leadoff the first inning, then Rodriguez ripped a line drive to center field that miraculously turned into a double play. Check it out:
Gooden walked a batter in the second inning and another in the third inning before really settling down. He retired seven in a row and 16 of 17 after the third inning walk. (The one base-runner came on a Tino Martinez error. He bobbled a ground ball at first base.) After eight innings and 109 pitches, a 31-year-old but very much not in his prime Doc Gooden had held the juggernaut Seattle offense hitless.
Without looking back at the play-by-play of every no-hitter in history, I’m guessing the ninth inning of Gooden’s no-hitter against the Mariners that night was one of the toughest final innings of a no-no in baseball history. I remember watching the game live and it was so very clear Gooden was out of gas. He was running on fumes. The Yankees led 2-0, so the game was close, yet John Wetteland had not even warmed up before the start of the ninth.
The first batter of that ninth inning, A-Rod, drew a six-pitch walk after Gooden jumped ahead in the count 1-2. Griffey ripped a ground ball that Tino grabbed, then dove headfirst into first base to get the out. “It was the only way I could get him,” said Martinez to Curry after the game. Edgar Martinez followed with a six-pitch walk to put the tying run on base. Gooden’s first pitch to Buhner skipped away from catcher Joe Girardi, allowing the runners to move. Now the tying run was in scoring position with one out.
The game was very much on the line now. Gooden had thrown 125 pitches up to that point and there was nothing in the tank. Wetteland had started to warm in the bullpen, but by that point it seemed moot. The speedy Rich Amaral pinch-ran for Martinez at second base, so Gooden was either going to complete the no-hitter, or he was going to give up the game-tying base hit. There was no middle ground.
Jay Buhner was at the plate, and Jay Buhner was one of the most menacing looking dudes who have ever played the game. Plus he always torched the Yankees. He made them regret the Ken Phelps trade every chance he could get. Gooden fell behind in the count 2-1 to Buhner, then was able to pick off the corner with a fastball for strike two. On his 130th pitch of the night, Doc threw a fastball by Buhner for strike three. That was … unexpected.
Gooden was one out away from the no-hitter, yet danger still loomed because the tying run was at second base. Paul Sorrento was the batter, and he swung through the first pitch of the at-bat for strike one. Gooden missed with the next two pitches and was again behind in the count 2-1. If not for the no-hit bid, Doc would have been out of the game long ago, and the now warm Wetteland would be on the mound. History was made on Gooden’s 134th pitch of the night.
“(The final out), it’s something that just goes through you. I can’t describe it. It’s something that happens. I never had it before,” said Gooden after the game, after Griffey interrupted his press conference to give him a hug. “In my wildest dreams, I never could have imagined this. This is sweet.”
Gooden threw 134 pitches in the no-hitter, and he did it while knowing his father would undergo open-heart surgery the next day. “Hopefully he knows about it,” said Doc, who left the team after the game to go home to Florida to be with his father. “You’ve seen a guy have a second chance with his career,” said Torre after the game. “It’s so satisfying.”
The rest of the season did not go so well for Gooden — he had a 5.19 ERA in 22 starts and 128.1 innings after the no-hitter — and he was left off the postseason roster. For that one night in May, less than two months after returning from close to a two-year layoff, Doc was on top of the baseball world, having thrown a no-hitter at Yankee Stadium.
“I think this is the greatest feeling, especially because I did it in New York,” he said. “With all I’ve been through and all the stuff that has gone in, this is the greatest feeling.”
Got 15 questions in the mailbag this week. They’re a mix of Retro Week questions and regular ol’ 2016 Yankees questions. Use the RABmailbag (at) gmail (dot) com email address to send us anything.
Steve asks: I had this conversation with a friend the other day but how many active players would you say are locks to go in the Hall of Fame? And would you say that number is less than the typical number?
I’m not sure what you mean by typical number. I count three slam dunk, no doubt about it future Hall of Famers who are still active: Albert Pujols, Ichiro Suzuki, and Miguel Cabrera. Those guys get in if they retire tomorrow. Alex Rodriguez would be in that group too, he has inner circle Hall of Famer credentials, but it seems unlikely he’ll ever get in due to the performance-enhancing drug stuff.
Adrian Beltre is a “very likely to get in” guy for me but not a no-doubter. Carlos Beltran and David Ortiz are a notch below that. Robinson Cano, Clayton Kershaw, Buster Posey, Mike Trout, Felix Hernandez, Zack Greinke, Andrew McCutchen, and Bryce Harper are all on the Hall of Fame track, I’d say. They still have some more compiling to do. Did I miss anyone obvious? I feel like I’m missing someone obvious.
Chris asks: Any interest in the freshly DFA’d Christian Friedrich?
I was surprised to see Friedrich is already 28. It feels like just yesterday he was slipping in the draft and I was hoping he’d get to the Yankees but holy crap he was drafted back in 2008 (25th overall). Friedrich was in the bullpen full-time last year with the Rockies and had a 5.25 ERA (4.04 FIP) with bad strikeout (16.7%) and walk (9.3%) numbers. Righties hammered him (.409 wOBA) but he held his own against lefties (.292 wOBA), so maybe he still has some lefty specialist potential. He’s out of options, so you can’t send him to the minors without slipping him through waivers. Meh. There’s not much to see here now. A few years back he would have been a nice reclamation project. Now he’s back-end of the 40-man roster fodder. I say pass.
Glenn asks: I realize the Yankees need Nova as a sixth starter, but is there anything in his record that suggests he could excel when concentrating on just two pitches as a short reliever?
Ivan Nova is a two-pitch pitcher as a starter, basically. He’s switched between a slider and a curveball a few times in recent years, but he’s generally a fastball-breaking ball guy who rarely throws a changeup. (During his full seasons from 2011-13, the most he threw his changeup was 4.4% in 2011.) The two-pitch approach has historically worked better in relief because you don’t have to turn a lineup over multiple times. Nova has good stuff. His command isn’t very good and he has a reputation for making it easy to pick the ball up out of his hand, so it plays down. Nova might excel as a one-inning reliever. That applies to lots of guys.
Richard asks: Mike, the MLB Top 100 scouting report said Aaron Judge “could be a higher-average hitter with 20 or so homers per season or more of a masher who delivers 30-plus long balls” depending on how he balances power and discipline. Can you think of a comp for each outcome, and which is ideal for 1) the Yankees and 2) Judge with respect to career outlook? Dingers are great, but a higher BA also means a higher OBP and SLG. Thanks!
The comps part is difficult. Over the last few seasons the only high-average, 20-homer right-handed hitting outfielder is Andrew McCutchen. Adrian Beltre, Troy Tulowitzki, and Buster Posey have done it at other positions, and then you have the superhuman high-average, 30-homer guys like Mike Trout, Paul Goldschmidt, and Miguel Cabrera. A lot of players will have a random .300+ AVG, 20+ homer season, but very few do it consistently. Hitting for average is very hard nowadays. There are more mediocre-average, 30-homer guys out there. Adam Jones, Justin Upton, Giancarlo Stanton, etc. Assuming everything else is equal, I’d take the high-average, 20-homer version of Judge because it’s a more well-rounded player. Batting average is underrated.
John asks: After hearing that Howie Kendrick signed for only 2 years $20 million with the Dodgers, do you think the Yankees made a mistake in going after Castro so early?
I would so much rather have Kendrick at two years and $20M plus Adam Warren than Starlin Castro plus a first round pick. Easy call in my opinion. There was no indication Kendrick would take such a sweetheart deal earlier in the offseason though. And besides, who’s to say the Yankees could get him so cheaply anyway? Kendrick’s played in Southern California his entire career, so I assume he has some roots there, and going back was appealing to him.
If it was known Kendrick would take two years and $20M, lots of teams would have been after him, including the Nationals, who gave up their first rounder to give Daniel Murphy three years and $37.5M. The qualifying offer hurt Kendrick’s market badly and no one could foresee that. I don’t blame the Yankees at all for jumping on Castro in December.
Michael asks: Will Bird’s year be in the MLB dl or the MiLB DL? He was on the mlb roster at the end of the season, but was slated to start the season in AAA. Seems the Yankees are going to get burned on a year of service time.
Bird will be on the MLB DL this year and burn a year of service time. He’s a big league player — he played 46 games with the Yankees last season plus the wildcard game — and when big league players get hurt, they go on the big league DL. It doesn’t matter that Bird was likely to start 2016 in Triple-A. If it were that simple, teams would be claiming all of their injured young players were going to start the year in the minors to prevent them from accruing service time. It sucks, but that’s the system. Bird was on the MLB roster for the final third of last season and he deserves the big league pay and service time coming his way after getting hurt.
Many asks: Does Bird’s injury mean Mark Teixeira will get the qualifying offer?
No automatically, no. There’s still an entire season to play out first. Teixeira could hit .210/.280/.350 with nine home runs this season for all we know. Ideally, the decision would be made independent of Bird’s status, right? Either Teixeira is worth the QO or he is not. That’s not really the case though. If the Yankees are on the fence about the QO, Bird’s status could sway them one way or the other. If he’s strong and healthy, they might not think it’s worth the risk. If Bird’s rehab is slow, they might decide to roll the dice. The chances of Teixeira returning in 2017 are greater now than they were before Bird’s injury, but remember, the Yankees will want to keep the average annual value of any contract down for luxury tax purposes. The QO figures to be over $16M next year.
Andrew asks: Any idea on how the qualifying offers will work this upcoming offseason? With all the Teix QO discussion, QO’s need to be offered 5 days after World Series is over and players have 7 days to accept after that. CBA up Dec. 1st, so all of these decisions will be made prior to knowing what will happen?
When the last Collective Bargaining Agreement was struck the Type-A/B system was still in place, then the QO system was part of the new CBA. Last time around they stuck with the Type-A/B system for the rest of the offseason — they did however change the system so teams wouldn’t give up picks for Type-A relievers, I remember everyone laughing at the Phillies for this because they signed Jonathan Papelbon so early and gave up their pick — then switched to the QO system the following year. I assume that will happen again. They’ll ride out the current system next offseason and then implement any changes the following offseason.
Robert asks: So this got shot down in the last mailbag but with the awful Bird news today is there a need now for a backup first baseman? I admit this is mostly nostalgia driven obviously but lefties have remained a problem and Montero could help in that department.
Yeah it makes more sense to bring Jesus Montero back now because the Triple-A first base job is wide open. He is out of options though, so he has to go through waivers to go to the minors. So either you have to trade for him and slip him through waivers yourself, or claim him on waivers and try to pass him through yourself. (Or make a deal with the Mariners contingent on him passing through waivers first.) It seems more likely the Yankees will just sign a minor league free agent. Ike Davis or Chris Parmelee could work. Maybe a Quad-A guy like Matt Clark or Neftali Soto. Montero would be wonderful for nostalgia purposes. The mechanics of getting him are a bit complicated though.
Jonathan asks: Most of us know the fact that Maddux and Bonds turned us down in the ’92 offseason, and then we signed basically anyone we wanted until Cliff Lee, but what do you think our main roster and results of their tenures in NY would have looked like if we signed both back then? Hard to believe we could have done better than we did, but it’s also hard to believe the best pitcher and best hitter of their generation would have made us worse.
Yeah this is an interesting one. The Yankees went hard after both Bonds and Maddux during the 1992-93 offseason but didn’t land either. (They settled for Jimmy Key because they couldn’t get their Plan B, C, or D either.) The 1993 Yankees finished seven games out of a postseason spot even though Key (139 ERA+ in 236.2 IP) and primary left field Dion James (133 OPS+) were really awesome. Do Bonds and Maddux make up the seven-game difference? Maybe! They were that good.
The 1994 Yankees were awesome before the strike. That 1995 season is the big question for me. Do the Yankees beat the Mariners with Bonds in left and Maddux making two starts in the ALDS? (They won Game One, remember.) Signing Maddux probably means no David Cone trade that season. This is a fun thought exercise. It’s hard to think adding two historically great players like Bonds and Maddux would have hurt. At the same time, it’s hard to complain about the way things turned out.
Dan asks: Over the years the Yankees have pulled off some crazy big trades: Roger Clemens, David Justice, A-Rod, Randy Johnson, just to name a few. Thinking back on your Yankees fandom do you have a favorite one? Thanks!
I remember hating the Clemens trade because I loved David Wells. I guess that answers the opposite of your question. The Alex Rodriguez trade is something of a baseball JFK moment for me (and probably a bunch of others). I remember exactly where I was and who I was with and what I was doing when I found out it happened.
I was still in college and I was out at dinner with the girl I was dating at the time. We were at Applebee’s with some other friends because, you know, we were classy like that. I saw the trade scroll across the screen on the ESPN ticker at the bar. There were no details. It was just “Yankees get A-Rod.” I remember thinking the Yankees were going to have to move Derek Jeter to second base and Alfonso Soriano to third to make it work. I guess that’s my favorite trade. It was a foregone conclusion A-Rod was going to the Red Sox at the time, then bam, he was a Yankee. It was awesome.
Daniel asks: This ‘Core Four’ moniker completely cuts out the contributions of Bernie Williams. The guy was a 5-time All-Star, 4-Time Gold Glover, and starting center fielder on four World Series championship teams! Why does he get lost in the shuffle?
Because Core Five doesn’t rhyme. I’m dead serious. If someone had been able to come up with a cute nickname for a group of five, Bernie would be included in that group. It’s too late now though. The Core Four is established. I’ve heard people say Bernie is not in the Core Four because he wasn’t there for all five World Series titles from 1996-2009, which is true, but also disingenuous. Jorge Posada played eight games for the 1996 Yankees as a September call-up. He was hardly a key contributor. Bernie is part of the Core Four as far as I’m concerned.
Elliot asks: Which Yankee Pitcher had the highest game score to clinch a world series? Game 7?
This was shockingly easy to look up with the Play Index. They have options for series clinching games and everything. Who knew? Here are the five best World Series clinching games by a Yankee (full list):
|1||Ralph Terry||1962-10-16||7||SFG||W 1-0||SHO9, W||9.0||4||0||0||0||4||83|
|2||Bob Turley||1956-10-09||6||BRO||L 0-1||CG 10, L||9.2||4||1||1||8||11||80|
|3||Johnny Kucks||1956-10-10||7||BRO||W 9-0||SHO9, W||9.0||3||0||0||3||1||79|
|4||Tiny Bonham||1941-10-06||5||BRO||W 3-1||CG 9, W||9.0||4||1||1||2||2||75|
|5||Whitey Ford||1950-10-07||4||PHI||W 5-2||GS-9, W||8.2||7||2||0||1||7||72|
1999 Roger Clemens and 1998 Andy Pettitte are tied for eighth with a 69 Game Score. Imagine being Turley and losing that game in 1956. Woof. The top five all came long before most of us were born, because that’s when the Yankees did most of their World Series winning. Here are the best World Series Game Seven performances. There’s some overlap with the best clinching games list (full list):
|1||Ralph Terry||1962-10-16||7||SFG||W 1-0||SHO9, W||9.0||4||0||0||0||4||83|
|2||Johnny Kucks||1956-10-10||7||BRO||W 9-0||SHO9, W||9.0||3||0||0||3||1||79|
|3||Carl Mays||1921-10-12||7||NYG||L 1-2||CG 8, L||8.0||6||2||1||0||7||71|
|4||Roger Clemens||2001-11-04||7||ARI||L 2-3||GS-7||6.1||7||1||1||1||10||64|
|5||Waite Hoyt||1926-10-10||7||STL||L 2-3||GS-6, L||6.0||5||3||0||0||2||58|
Look at that. The Yankees lost three of their five best pitching performances in a Game Seven of a World Series. Crazy. I ran a query for the best pitched games by a Yankee in a series clincher regardless of round (full list), and it was identical to the top table with one exception: CC Sabathia‘s performance in Game Five of the 2012 ALDS slots in at No. 2 with an 82 Game Score. What a game that was.
There are a handful of players each year who walk more than they strike out. Jose Bautista, Joey Votto, Michael Brantley, Buster Posey, and Ben Zobrist were the only guys to do it last year. The last team with multiple players who qualified for the batting title with more walks than strikeouts is the 2009 Cardinals with Yadier Molina and Albert Pujols. Here are the last four teams with three such players:
- 2000 Cubs: Mark Grace, Ricky Gutierrez, Eric Young
- 2000 Mariners: Edgar Martinez, John Olerud, Mark McLemore
- 1999 Rangers: Rusty Greer, Rafael Palmeiro, Mark McLemore
- 1996 Yankees: Wade Boggs, Paul O’Neill, Bernie Williams
The last team with four such players? The 1995 Yankees, who had five: Boggs, Bernie, O’Neill, Don Mattingly, and Luis Polonia all did it that year. As you keep going further back in history there are more and more teams with multiple players who had more walks than strikeouts. Baseball was a much different game back in the day. In 1962 Sandy Koufax had a 10.5 K/9 when the league average was 5.6 K/9, so yeah.
Rick asks: When does it make sense to add a guy like Ian Desmond to the roster and figure the rest out? If Desmond at resembles the player of two or three years ago, he’s well worth the draft pick attached. He can play multiple positions across the infield.
It comes down to the size of the contract. If you’re going to give up the draft pick, I think you’d prefer to keep the player more than one year. That’s just me. Would Desmond take the Kendrick contract (two years, $20M) to be what amounts to a super utility guy, someone who gets 400+ plate appearances at second, short, third, and left field? My guess is if he were willing to do that, several other teams would have interest as well. Desmond’s going to look at the Yankees and wonder where he’ll play. The White Sox, for example, could offer him the same money and the starting shortstop job. It takes two to tango, and besides, I’m pretty sure the Yankees aren’t giving up their first round pick to sign a free agent at this point.
Here is tonight’s open thread. The Knicks and the three local hockey clubs are all playing, plus there are a few college hoops games on the schedule as well. Have at it.